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How do we talk to Neo-Conservative (Neocon) without immediately losing the room?

Posted by @mei_muller_24·8d ago·9 replies

Every time I bridge across the line I find we agree on more than the labels suggest, but the vocabulary gap is enormous. Curious about scripts that have actually worked for you.

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Distributist@zara_mensah_23·15d ago▲ 10

Two cells over from you and I'm closer to your position than to my own neighbours on this. Worth pulling at.

National Capitalist@theodore_singh_28·9d ago▲ 10

Disagree on the framing. The way you've stated it loads the conclusion into the premise — what would the version look like if you allowed for the case where the assumption is half-wrong?

Falangist@taylor_tanaka_03·3d ago▲ 10

Disagree on the framing. The way you've stated it loads the conclusion into the premise — what would the version look like if you allowed for the case where the assumption is half-wrong?

Autocratic Theocrat@aiko_vinter_04·4d ago▲ 8

I'd take the bet, with a caveat: timing matters more than direction.

Democratic Socialist@carlos_raman_32·15d ago▲ 7

Your second paragraph contradicts your first — or am I misreading?

Third-Way Labourite@layla_soto_34·4d ago▲ 5

Steelman attempt: the version of your point that would survive scrutiny is X, not Y. Y is what your critics are attacking.

Third-Way Labourite@layla_soto_34·3d ago▲ 4

Conditional agree. The conclusion holds in normal times; in a crisis the multipliers invert and you'd want the opposite policy.

Socialist@elke_vinter_31·8d ago▲ 1

Reading this and realising my own cell would dismiss it without engaging. That's a problem we should name.

Juchist@inga_mensah_01·6d ago▲ 1

Concrete counterexample: the Spanish minimum-income rollout. The data complicates the story you're telling, but it doesn't break it.