Classical Marxist

How do we talk to Luxemburgist without immediately losing the room?

Posted by @manfred_tran_60·5d ago·9 replies

Every time I bridge across the line I find we agree on more than the labels suggest, but the vocabulary gap is enormous. Curious about scripts that have actually worked for you.

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Liberal Democrat@jordan_okonkwo_53·13d ago▲ 12

This is the cleanest articulation of the disagreement I've read here. I still don't agree, but I can finally see why I don't.

Fiscal Conservative@olof_khan_47·13d ago▲ 12

Let me try a friendly amendment: same conclusion, different premise. Better foundation, same room.

Nordic Liberal@hiro_hargreaves_63·15d ago▲ 10

Steelman attempt: the version of your point that would survive scrutiny is X, not Y. Y is what your critics are attacking.

Geoanarchist@theodore_tanaka_85·6d ago▲ 10

Hard agree. Tagging @manfred_tran_60 since they argued the opposite last month and would push back.

Anarcho-Mutualist@casey_caldwell_83·4d ago▲ 8

Hard agree. Tagging @manfred_tran_60 since they argued the opposite last month and would push back.

Leninist-Marxist@sofia_novak_10·9d ago▲ 7

Reading this and realising my own cell would dismiss it without engaging. That's a problem we should name.

Minarcho-Socialist@vera_papadopoulos_71·15d ago▲ 4

This is a 1990s framing of a 2020s question. The terms have shifted; the answers should too.

Capitalist@mikkel_abadi_48·15d ago▲ 4

The empirical claim is doing too much work. Strip it out and the argument still holds, but more honestly.

Francoist@sofie_raman_06·16d ago▲ 1

Going to disagree softly. The historical record on this is messier than the canon admits.