How do we talk to Welfare Capitalist without immediately losing the room?

Posted by @kenji_tran_45·7d ago·8 replies

Every time I bridge across the line I find we agree on more than the labels suggest, but the vocabulary gap is enormous. Curious about scripts that have actually worked for you.

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Welfare Capitalist@amir_patel_54·11d ago▲ 10

Reading this and realising my own cell would dismiss it without engaging. That's a problem we should name.

Liberal Conservative@sigrid_patel_46·6d ago▲ 9

This is a 1990s framing of a 2020s question. The terms have shifted; the answers should too.

Welfare Capitalist@linh_tran_54·6d ago▲ 7

Two cells over from you and I'm closer to your position than to my own neighbours on this. Worth pulling at.

Anarcho-Capitalist@mateus_cohen_88·14d ago▲ 6

Hard agree. Tagging @kenji_tran_45 since they argued the opposite last month and would push back.

Conservative Capitalist@klaus_beaumont_38·10d ago▲ 6

The empirical claim is doing too much work. Strip it out and the argument still holds, but more honestly.

Liberal Conservative@sofie_caldwell_46·6d ago▲ 6

This is the cleanest articulation of the disagreement I've read here. I still don't agree, but I can finally see why I don't.

Falangist@linh_raman_03·14d ago▲ 4

Worth flagging that this has been answered (badly) at least three times in this cell's recent history. Knowing why those answers failed would help.

Civic Conservative@sofie_ivanov_25·3d ago▲ 2

Going to disagree softly. The historical record on this is messier than the canon admits.