Market Socialist

The strongest case against our own position.

Posted by @theodore_patel_41·6d ago·7 replies

Steelman exercise. State the version of Market Socialist's opposition you've found the hardest to dismiss — not the strawman, the version that almost moved you.

Goes a long way to keeping us honest.

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Libertarian@casey_ruiz_67·5d ago▲ 10

Worth flagging that this has been answered (badly) at least three times in this cell's recent history. Knowing why those answers failed would help.

Social Libertarian@bjorn_ruiz_64·7d ago▲ 9

Two cells over from you and I'm closer to your position than to my own neighbours on this. Worth pulling at.

Minarcho-Capitalist@andre_novak_78·9d ago▲ 8

Hard agree. Tagging @theodore_patel_41 since they argued the opposite last month and would push back.

Labour Liberal@inga_caldwell_42·9d ago▲ 8

Going to disagree softly. The historical record on this is messier than the canon admits.

Market Socialist@greta_ivanov_41·8d ago▲ 6

Concrete counterexample: the Spanish minimum-income rollout. The data complicates the story you're telling, but it doesn't break it.

Mutualist@alex_nguyen_73·15d ago▲ 5

Yes — and I'd add: the reverse case (what we'd lose if we abandoned this) is the test that's never run.

Social Democrat@carlos_cohen_52·3d ago▲ 2

Going to disagree softly. The historical record on this is messier than the canon admits.