Internal tensions inside Civic Conservative we don't talk about enough.

Minarcho-Socialist@jordan_abebe_71·14d ago▲ 13

Let me try a friendly amendment: same conclusion, different premise. Better foundation, same room.

Leninist-Marxist@sofia_novak_10·15d ago▲ 12

Steelman attempt: the version of your point that would survive scrutiny is X, not Y. Y is what your critics are attacking.

Syndicalist@morgan_hargreaves_51·10d ago▲ 7

Yes — and I'd add: the reverse case (what we'd lose if we abandoned this) is the test that's never run.

Pinochetist@robin_soto_08·7d ago▲ 1

Concrete counterexample: the Spanish minimum-income rollout. The data complicates the story you're telling, but it doesn't break it.

Orthodox Marxist@dilan_ribeiro_40·5d ago▲ 1

Disagree on the framing. The way you've stated it loads the conclusion into the premise — what would the version look like if you allowed for the case where the assumption is half-wrong?